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Interview
with Mohsen Ebrahimi
Keyvan
Javid:
In your recent book The Rise and Fall of Political Islam you
refer to political Islam. What is the difference between Islam in general
and Political Islam?
Mohsen
Ebrahimi:
Islam is a set of often-ridiculous superstitions about the origin and
fate of the world, degrading rules and traditions and deeply inhuman edicts
about human beings and their relations. Essentially, it is a set of beliefs
and rules against human prosperity, happiness, welfare, freedom, equality
and knowledge. Islam and a humane life are contradictory concepts and
opposed to each other. Political Islam, however, is a political movement
and current, which has come to the fore with the aim of safeguarding existing
class relations vis-à-vis liberation, equality-seeking and secular
movements, progressive intellectual and cultural advances in the world
and the working class and oppressed. In a way, political Islam is a political
movement with a political objective and Islam is the governing ideology
of this political movement. The ultimate aspiration of these sects is
to set up an Islamic rule based on the Islamic Republic of Iran and Taliban.
Keyvan
Javid:
What is your response to the notion that the rise of political Islam is
the result of the domination of Islamic culture among people living in
these countries?
Mohsen
Ebrahimi:
This is a most superficial rationalisation for the emergence of political
Islam. After the Islamic Republic of Iran and Talibans coming to
power, journalists and experts on Islam have argued that in a corner of
the 20th century, in places like Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Pakistan and
Indonesia, some hundreds of millions of people enjoy living under such
repulsion; women like being second-class citizens, degraded and stoned
to death; youth like to replace recreation, art, theatre, music, cinema,
education and sports with sadness, mourning and death; workers enjoy not
receiving their wages for six months and seeing the fruits of their labour
being used to feed sects of Islamic murderers; and teenagers enjoy destroying
their sexual desires and emotions for the sake Islam. These types of rationalisations
are at best an insult to humanity. Perhaps there are dimwits among them
who relate the rise of political Islam to peoples culture and inclinations,
but this is not the crux of the matter. In fact, the majority - from university
experts to leaders of political parties and journalists are part
of the Western governments publicity machinery to justify open support
for Islamic reaction in Iran and Afghanistan. At an historical moment,
faced with the possibility of the Lefts emergence, they decided
to prop up Islamic reaction and continue to do so, in line with Western
governments.
Furthermore,
the image given that Islamic currents have grown because they are a source
of hope for people aspiring to regain their lost indigenous identity
is nonsense. In fact, all of these currents have consciously related Islam
and the Islamic movement to issues such as escaping poverty and oppression
in order to increase their chances of gaining power. They know that in
the real world, people take no notice of such things as gods
rule on earth. It is not without reason that Islamic sects in opposition
behead people and blow up buses on the one hand but are forced to build
schools for example with the dollars provided by Saudi Arabia and the
Islamic regime on the other. Khomeini promised free oil for everyone;
as soon as he gained power, he hollered that the people have not
risen up for bread.
Keyvan Javid:
In light of these, what are the bases for the rise of political Islam?
Mohsen
Ebrahimi:
The evolution and rise of political Islam has domestic as well as international
bases. In the Middle East and Asia, political Islam, like most other reactionary
movements, was born in the context of poverty, economic misery, and political
oppression and in periods of political crises. Among the hungry and the
destitute, they gained support with the promise of salvation for the dispossessed
and in the absence of a strong and secular political left, they gained
ground. The ruling classes in these countries have always fully supported
this force vis-à-vis the Left as in Iran during the fall of the
monarchy.
It is noteworthy
that many intellectuals, poets and writers, enamoured with indigenous
and Eastern culture and tradition, have shared in all phases of political
Islams formation and development. There are shining examples of
this bunch in Iran as well. Prior to the Islamic regime of Irans
rule, their job was to sanctify intellectual and cultural backwardness
and religious Islamic thought in the name of preserving indigenous identity
against Westernisation. After the formation of the Islamic Republic, their
job was to rummage into the regimes personalities in order to find
anything to force-feed the people. Now, Khatami is the latest creature
these divers have dragged out of the Islamic swamp.
The old Cold
War confrontation between East and West was the international ground for
the rise of political Islam. The ruling classes and governments in the
Western camp banked on the Islamic movement as a dam against the former
Soviet Unions influence and as such fully supported its development.
A telling example is the Islamists in Afghanistan. During the Islamists
holy war against the former Soviet Union in Afghanistan, CIA
and US National Security Council advisors were always hanging around the
camps of Islamic sects in Pakistan. They trained seminarians who later
drowned Afghanistan in a bloodbath. The CNN once showed an interesting
scene in which Brzezinski was speaking at one of these camps to seminarians,
pointing to Afghanistan and fervently calling on the Islamic beasts to
win back their holy mosques from the communists. Political Islam was,
therefore, partially formed in the context of the Cold War with vast support
from Western governments.
Keyvan
Javid:
How do you assess the current situation of political Islam?
Mohsen
Ebrahimi:
Compared to the last two decades, these currents are in a weaker situation
and more importantly have a bleak future. Some of these currents such
as in Turkey, Algeria and Indonesia are attempting to capitalise on the
economic and political crises in these countries and transform into a
force with a share in political power through for example gaining access
to parliaments. The most active sections of political Islam today, however,
are isolated sectarian terrorist groups. Riddling school buses with bullets,
blowing up bombs in crowded areas, massacring defenceless inhabitants
of villages, taking tourists hostage and other such acts not only signify
the Islamic ideology, of which murder is a primary principle, but also
more importantly, signify futile political attempts by a disintegrating
force. The situation of the Islamic Republic of Iran is a mirror image
of the situation of political Islam in the Middle East. With the advent
of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Islamists in Middle Eastern countries
gained powerful governmental, moral and financial support. Islamic sects
opened offices in Tehran, received cash and arms from the Islamic regime
and were trained in the military camps of professional murderers, the
Revolutionary Guards. Islamic Republic leaders initially hoped that Islamic
sects would quickly come to power in different parts of the world, set
up regimes modeled on the Islamic Republic and establish stonings, amputations
and floggings. Not only has this not happened but also, the Islamic regime
keeps sinking deeper into crisis. The main financial and moral source
of these sects is itself in crisis. If Islams gaining power in Iran
gave hope and backing to Islamic sects, the Islamic regime of Irans
current crisis has left them defenceless and bewildered. With the Islamic
regimes downfall, their disintegration will be hastened.
Additionally,
before the Islamic Republic and Taliban, world public opinion did not
yet have a clear picture of political Islams vast capacity in unleashing
terror. The Islamic Republic and Taliban have shown the world political
Islams real face.
The Islamic
Republics downfall will facilitate the disintegration of Islamic
sects in other ways as well. Until now, world public opinion on the Islamic
Republic has been shaped by official journalism, which has not told the
truth and hidden facts. With the regimes downfall, the world will
finally be given an opportunity to know the truth - victims will speak
out, prisons and torture chambers would be exposed, torturers will make
heart wrenching confessions, Islamic prosecutors and judges will reveal
what they did to their victims behind prison walls. Then, people all over
the world will see Western government culpability in this state-sponsored
crime; they will see what a despicable phenomenon political Islam is.
Mohsen Ebrahimi
is a member of WPIs Central Committee and Political Bureau. The
above was an interview by Keyvan Javid in Hambastegi Persian Monthly number
94, May 2001.
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